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Y'know, I wasn't actually trying to frustrate you lot with that poll.

There is no 'right' answer; indeed, I suspect that that very lack is part of the point.

That was the hardest question taken from the fluid intelligence part of the most commonly used adult intelligence test. Which my mom (a school psych) noted does not necessarily mean it's the _best_ intelligence test, of course, but is a question she uses to help explain fluid reasoning when in meetings about kids she's working with.

The speed and confidence parts were added by me. And perhaps I should not have, as that may have encouraged the belief in a 'right' answer.

Clearly I should have been more clear about there not being a 'right' answer. *wry*

Date: 2008-04-09 04:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mactavish.livejournal.com
I find knowing that the question is frustrating for some people to be as interesting a revelation about brains as I do people's answers to the question, and how they came up with things.

Date: 2008-04-09 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wispfox.livejournal.com
Yes, indeed.

Clearly, it hadn't occurred to me as a possibility that people'd get frustrated. :)

Date: 2008-04-09 04:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brynndragon.livejournal.com
I suspect a lot of us like being right so much that we get flustered when we can't be right. Something about a lot of self-worth being tied up in having the answers to various questions. . .

Date: 2008-04-09 07:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wispfox.livejournal.com
And I can have trouble with the concept of 'right' at the same time as being _really_ good at theoretical math. Which is just funny. :)

Date: 2008-04-09 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnpalmer.livejournal.com
Oof. I hope my comment didn't spur this... I wasn't really frustrated, but I did see "confidence" as a quavery quantity there.

I can see two types of confidence: that you'd come up with a defensible, workable answer, and that you'd come up with "the right answer". And you can't be confident that you came up with the specific right answer that someone else had.

My answer was a joke answer; if this was an ancient riddle, it was probably not the "right" answer (though who knows? some of the old riddlers probably got goofy from time to time).

Date: 2008-04-09 07:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wispfox.livejournal.com
Your comment was not what sparked this; the combination of the first 5 or so comments did. No worries.

Your comment is, however, managing to make me stare at it a lot. ;)

Date: 2008-04-09 07:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wispfox.livejournal.com
Also, you explaining what you were trying to say with your earlier comment was good; I was failing to make the connection to 'confidence' as a tricky value. I mean I knew it was, but did not have a good feel for why. Your comment did give me that! :)

Date: 2008-04-09 07:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kightp.livejournal.com
I think your answer is the sort that would cause the Evil Riddle-Asking Monster to let you go, grudgingly, instead of eating you on the spot.

Which, you know, works. (-:

Date: 2008-04-09 07:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnpalmer.livejournal.com
Or possibly be obliterated by a flying scale model of the QE2 filled with explosives.

(Oh, come now; sure you've heard of a cruise missile.)

Date: 2008-04-09 07:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kightp.livejournal.com
*hee*

[livejournal.com profile] wispfox is, no doubt, staring even harder now.

(Don't worry, this is perfectly normal. I've learned to be very fond of surrealism, atrocious puns and the occasional improvised rap song).

Date: 2008-04-09 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wispfox.livejournal.com
Neh, not staring too hard. Mostly amused by the two of you. :)

Date: 2008-04-09 08:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kightp.livejournal.com
I live to entertain. (-:

Date: 2008-04-09 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnpalmer.livejournal.com
Oh: just in case people think I'm only joking about cruise missiles:

http://johnpalmer.livejournal.com/120908.html#cutid1

Date: 2008-04-09 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wispfox.livejournal.com
Yay, silly links!

Date: 2008-04-09 05:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leiacat.livejournal.com
I came up with a defensible answer in seconds. But it didn't make me happy - what I wanted was an elegant one, a pun worthy of the best of "raven and writing desk" versions. I'll probably keep thinking on that for a while, whether I want to or not.

Date: 2008-04-09 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wispfox.livejournal.com
Huh. And see, it hadn't even occurred to me that people might want to answer as a riddle.

Probably because I'm _really_ bad at riddles.

If you do come up with something, though, I'd be curious. :)

Date: 2008-04-12 04:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vvvexation.livejournal.com
It was almost completely the "confidence" question that threw me; I thought the question as I first perceived it was too easy for it to be conceivable that I would doubt my answer, so if it was conceivable that I might doubt it, the question must be harder than I'd thought.

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